Quote from patcha on May 28, 2013, 12:49 AM
Quote from basmelech on May 27, 2013, 11:57 PM
The woman. 🙂 Lets start at the begining Chava caused Adam to eat from the eitz hadas. Korach's wife caused him to rebel against H-shem. Akiva's wife enabled him to learn in yeshiva for 14 years straight. The woman did not sin with cheit haegel. Because of Rachel Imeinu we are going to be taken out of galus iy"H. From Rus comes Moshiach. And it goes on and on and on... Plus when a gadol is asked "how did you become so great?" they usually reply because of my mother. Woman are the builders they raise the children, which is the next generation. As inshidduchimfollower said, "chochmas noshim bonsa beisah, v'iveles byodeha t'harsena". 🙂
So I see I responded in this thread, but it was more of a throwaway line, and I want to respond to this.
First, your examples are an odd jumble of random places women are mentioned in Chumash, which do not prove your point. Had woman listened to man in the first place (Adam) the sin wouldn't have happened. And merit has little to do with tone. A)
Secondly, about the gadol, your point would be more convincing if he said that it was because of his wife. B)
Thirdly, afaik Mishlei said that line, and inshidduchimfollower is quoting him. 🙂 C)
More seriously, I'm surprised at all the feminists arguing in this thread. Of course the man has to lead and set the tone in his own home. He is the man of the house and if you respect and trust him you should want him to be in charge. D)
I once heard from someone Chabad that a man is like a sun and a woman is like a moon, and your job is to reflect his light. So when you are dating, you are trying to find a sun whose light you want to reflect. E) 🙂
A) I picked only a few of the woman mentioned throughout the Torah, you can find much, much more if you would like to check it out for yourself. This is just a sampling. Chava told Adam yes to eat from it. Chava set the "tone" (albeit the wrong way here) in the home.
B) I think it is pretty convincing besides for that many gedolim do give their wife the credit. A) in the merit of the woman means that because of the way the woman helped her husband, ie. set the tone in the house to focus on Torah by supporting him and raising the children like that.
C) thank you for pointing that out! 🙂
D) The man should be in charge and set the tone and you should trust and respect him of course! but know that the woman sets it firmly in place. Sorry if im sounding feministic I just feel that it takes both the husband and the wife to work together, with the wife as the one who raises and takes care of the children they spend more time with her usually so will learn from the way she behaves.
E) Beautiful! Of course look for someone who is on the same page as you... 🙂